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*Who are Tom Vilsack and Michael R. Taylor and why you should care? (Monsanto + Food Matters)

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rEVOLution --- 3 years ago -

Who are Tom Vilsack and Michael R. Taylor and why you should care?

Thomas James "Tom" Vilsack: U.S. Secretary of Agriculture





Six Reasons Why Obama Appointing Monsanto's Buddy, Former Iowa Governor Vilsack, for USDA Head Would be a Terrible Idea
Organic Consumers Association, November 12, 2008

1. Former Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack's support of genetically engineered pharmaceutical crops, especially pharmaceutical corn:
http://www.gene.ch/genet/2002/...
http://www.organicconsumers.or...

2. The biggest biotechnology industry group, the Biotechnology Industry Organization, named Vilsack Governor of the Year. He was also the founder and former chair of the Governor's Biotechnology Partnership.
http://www.bio.org/news/pressr...

3. When Vilsack created the Iowa Values Fund, his first poster child of economic development potential was Trans Ova and their pursuit of cloning dairy cows.

4. Vilsack was the origin of the seed pre-emption bill in 2005, which many people here in Iowa fought because it took away local government's possibility of ever having a regulation on seeds- where GE would be grown, having GE-free buffers, banning pharma corn locally, etc. Representative Sandy Greiner, the Republican sponsor of the bill, bragged on the House Floor that Vilsack put her up to it right after his state of the state address.

5. Vilsack has a glowing reputation as being a schill for agribusiness biotech giants like Monsanto. Sustainable ag advocated across the country were spreading the word of Vilsack's history as he was attempting to appeal to voters in his presidential bid. An activist from the west coast even made this youtube animation about Vilsack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
The airplane in this animation is a referral to the controversy that Vilsack often traveled in Monsanto's jet.

6. Vilsack is an ardent support of corn and soy based biofuels, which use as much or more fossil energy to produce them as they generate, while driving up world food prices and literally starving the poor.

Web Note, Nov. 20, 2008: Although the Organic Consumers Association is happy that former Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack apparently supports a modest reduction in our nation's annual $17-25 billion subsidies (for example the often voiced reform for a $250,000 limit to individual farms per year) to chemical, energy-intensive and genetically engineered crops such as corn, soybeans, and cotton, our position is that all "non-green" subsidies should be eliminated. We can no longer afford to use U.S. tax money to subsidize chemical and energy-intensive crops that basically prop up factory farm profits and the junk food industry, make consumers unhealthy, waste valuable non-renewable resources, and destabilize the climate. We need massive subsidies instead to help American farmers and ranchers make the transition to healthy, energy-efficient, carbon-sequestering, organic crops and farm practices--before it's too late.
http://www.organicconsumers.or...

Similarly, we are glad Vilsack has apparently reversed his previous vocal support for genetically engineered crops, including controversial and dangerous biopharmaceutical crops, but we'd prefer a USDA Secretary who calls for on an outright ban on biopharm crops, cloned animals, and an end to all taxpayer subsidies for genetically engineered crops. If Vilsack actually is appointed USDA Secretary we'll definitely remind him of his stated position below--that he supports mandatory labeling of genetically engineered foods and food ingredients and strict liability for companies and farmers causing genetic pollution with their GMO seeds and crops.

Finally, we hope Tom Vilsack (and Barack Obama) will admit that corn-based ethanol and soy-based biodiesel, although popular with Monsanto, Archer Daniels Midland, and subsidized corn and soybean farmers in Vilsack's home state of Iowa, are a dangerous hoax, and that the only way the US will be able to reduce our greenhouse gas pollution by 80% by 2050 (as Obama has promised), and to survive in an era of Peak Oil and evermore expensive energy, is to convert our nation's industrial, petroleum-based food and farming system (which eats up 19% of our energy and generates 37% of our greenhouse gases) to a solar-based, relocalized/regionalized system of organic agriculture as outlined in Michael Pollan's recent essay in the New York Times http://www.organicconsumers.or...

We're happy Tom Vilsack voices support for long overdue "Livestock Market Reforms," but we believe it's now blatantly obvious that factory farms or CAFO should be banned, before they do any more damage to animals, human health, water quality (including massive dead zones in the oceans), and our already destabilized climate.

Source links:
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_15573.cfm

Tom Vilsack + Monsanto


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Michael R. Taylor, Obama appointed FDA Food safety Czar and the former Vice President for Public Policy at Monsanto.

Michael R. Taylor, the former Vice President for Public Policy at Monsanto has returned through Washington's revolving doors and will now advise FDA Commissioner Margaret A. Hamburg on food safety.

We learn of this discouraging connection on the same day the White House announced its new commitment to upgrading the country's food safety system.

Much hope had been held out for a change in FDA perspective due to Commissioner Hamburg's lack of industry ties. Her career has consisted of public health research and policy positions. Prior to her appointment as FDA commissioner, she worked as the New York City health commissioner. Unfortunately, it appears that with the addition of Taylor, the FDA has remedied that problem.

It seems Taylor is just the man you'd want on the job, if you're concerned about unwanted industry regulation and corporate representation of toxic hormones in your dairy. But, examining bad industry practices that lead to salmonella and E. coli tainted foods? Not so sure about that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christine-escobar/hes-back-former-vp-at-mon_b_228792.html



Michael R. Taylor’s appointment by the Obama administration to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) on July 7th sparked immediate debate and even outrage among many food and agriculture researchers, NGOs and activists. The Vice President for Public Policy at Monsanto Corp. from 1998 until 2001, Taylor exemplifies the revolving door between the food industry and the government agencies that regulate it. He is reviled for shaping and implementing the government’s favorable agricultural biotechnology policies during the Clinton administration.

Yet what has slipped under everyone’s radar screen is Taylor’s involvement in setting U.S. policy on agricultural assistance in Africa. In collusion with the Rockefeller and Bill and Melinda Gates foundations, Taylor is once again the go-between man for Monsanto and the U.S. government, this time with the goal to open up African markets for genetically-modified (GM) seed and agrochemicals.

In the late 70s, Taylor was an attorney for the United States Department of Agriculture, then in the 80s, a private lawyer at the D.C. law firm King & Spalding, where he represented Monsanto. When Taylor returned to government as Deputy Commissioner for Policy for the FDA from 1991 to 1994, the agency approved the use of Monsanto’s GM growth hormone for dairy cows (now found in most U.S. milk) without labeling. His role in these decisions led to a federal investigation, though eventually he was exonerated of all conflict-of-interest charges.

Taylor’s re-appointment to the FDA came just after Obama and the other G-8 leaders pledged $20 billion to fight hunger in Africa over the next three years. “President Obama is currently embedded in a bubble featuring some of the fervent promoters of the biotech industry and a Green Revolution in Africa,” says Paula Crossfield in the Huffington Post. Before joining Obama’s transition team, Taylor was a Senior Fellow at the D.C. think tank Resources for the Future, where he published two documents on U.S. aid for African agriculture, both of which were funded by the Rockefeller Foundation.

The Rockefeller Foundation funded the first Green Revolution in Asia and Latin America in the 1960s, and in 2006, teamed up with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to launch the Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa (AGRA). In Taylor’s 2003 paper “American Patent Policy, Biotechnology, and African Agriculture: The Case for Policy Change,” he states: “The Green Revolution largely bypassed sub-Saharan Africa…African farmers often face difficult growing conditions, and better access to the basic Green Revolution tools of fertilizer, pesticides, improved seeds, and irrigation certainly can play an important role in improving their productivity.”

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What peaked my interest in all of this information? A documentary called Food Matters and one called Food Inc. Several of us have posted threads on these before but after learning this information that I recently stumbled across I wanted to share. One reason is to inform people that our government has sold our entire food supply to mega Corporations like Monsanto and Dupont.

The scary part of that is what is being exposed about their take over our farm lands and how devastating their crops have become on our food supplies. These documentaries unfold the entire horrific facts of how our food is being engineered, not grown and how it is poisoning us all.





Both can be rented through Netflix, Blockbuster on watch online at Youtube. 

Warren Peace (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

Too much hysteria over a much more mundane reality. I wake up every morning and thank God for "evil" corporations like Monsanto.

Food Inc seemed pretty biased to me. It smelled like b.s. and turned out to be after googling around to find the truth on several issues such as the poor "victim" farmer that turned out to be a liar. 

Tylers Journey --- 3 years ago -

Food Matters is a lot better then Food Inc. 

Mabbers --- 3 years ago -

Food Inc. totally pissed me off. I don't think I could handle a 'better' one. LOL. I'm already looking up the beef companies I purchase from investigating for 'happy' cows. Haha. 

rEVOLution --- 3 years ago -

This thread is two tier, one, the facts that they are absolutely and knowingly poisoning our food. Period.

The second is that the people who work for Monsanto also work for our government. Period.

So all biased BS aside, those are irrefutable facts.

Our food, water, and air are all slowly killing us. Just because we have a burger for lunch does not mean we are going to die from it. But eating what most Americans eat, drink, and breathe on a daily basis is killing us.

Not to mention now that we are all eating "cloned" animals and genetically modified foods. Most of us doing so unknowingly. Why do they keep it secret? Because more of us might not partake if we knew the truth. Which is why I post this crap. 

Warren Peace (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

Our food, water, and air are all slowly killing us.

...and yet our life span keeps growing. Weird, huh?


Not to mention now that we are all eating "cloned" animals and genetically modified foods.

Not only are they as delicious, but some are even moreso.

You may remember back in the 70's, there were widespread predictions from scientists painting a doom and gloom picture of the future that we would have a population control problem that would result in rampant starvation. One of the most well known authors favoring various population control techniques eventually became an Obama czar.

But then that darn evil Monsanto corp had to show up and saved the world. How dare they increase our crop yields allowing farmers to grow more crops than they ever did before. 

Souperman --- 3 years ago -

Our food, water, and air are all slowly killing us.

Why slowly kill us? Why not just do it and get it over with?

What is the point? 

mommie21g1b --- 3 years ago -

We are living longer (with a decreased quality of life), but our children won't.

The rates of autism, food allergies, and childhood cancer, not to mention obesity and diabetes have skyrocketed in the past 10 years. The children are the canaries and we are doomed. Keep feeding your children this crap, not my problem. But don't be an a$$ when someone tries to give you information.

And by the way monsanto is evil- do some research. They didn't save the world, they increased their profits by genetically modifying crops (by inserting what equates to round up in the DNA of our food) so that the crops could tolerate round up (thus making them money on both ends).

This corruption knows no party lines. Michelle Obama wants to promote "healthy lunches" but Obama does this?????? Hypocrites. 

Souperman --- 3 years ago -

Looks like the solution is to get rid of the Obamas. 

mommie21g1b --- 3 years ago -

The ones before them were just as bad (ie Rumsfield). The Obamas just pretended to care, whereas the last ones flat out said they didn't. 

A Simple Equation --- 3 years ago -

Here are a few more for all the deniers out there and those who "think" a CHEMICAL company is the savior of the world hunger crisis. Get the FACTS before your uneducated comments expose the real YOU... Monsanto IS one of the most evil corporations in the entire world and want to completely dominate and control the supply of food (i.e. MONOPOLIZE).

I continue to be amazed at just how ignorant to REALITY so many of you really are when there are numerous documentaries out there exposing the truth about ALL of this... For the love of God, or at least your children, TURN OFF YOUR TVs for a while and educate yourselves to the TRUTH about our world! All of the below documentaries and clips expose Monsanto for the criminal cartel they really are... Enjoy if you even bother to take the time. I doubt most of you will, though. Y'all are so smart already!

The World According to Monsanto



Unnatural Selection



The Dangers of Genetically Modified Foods



Genetically Modified Foods: Panacea or Poison?



The Future of Food



The Monsanto Story



Patent for a Pig



Fox News Kills Monsanto Milk Story




Monsanto Will Own All Seed (Clip from "Bad Seed: The Truth About our Food")

 

Fallon --- 3 years ago -

Darn you Rev. I thought this was someone new on the cooking network that I had missed.


lol 

rEVOLution --- 3 years ago -

Great responses ASE and mommie, well put.

And for those who hate the videos, I'm sorry but it's much easier letting those who have done more research than I have explain the problems in more technical terms.

I'm not a specialist in food or nutrition, I just know from looking at the people around me in public that there is a serious problem that is being ignored. And when my doctor tells me that the medicine he is prescribing me is "the flavor of the week" I know that we are dyer need of help. And not help from the FDA. 

rEVOLution --- 3 years ago -

Darn you Rev.


LOL, sorry for the disappointment. At least it wasn't a Clown ambush. 

Souperman --- 3 years ago -

Still I ask...............

Why kill us slowly?

What is the point? 

rEVOLution --- 3 years ago -

Why kill us slowly?

What is the point?


I don't know exactly but what I believe is that they do it slowly because, one, we help supplement their efforts financially in the way of taxes and two because if they did it quickly the world would wake up and resist. Just like, well here, let Disney explain it you.





The Rockefellers, Rothschilds, and others have been quoted on record as saying that there must be population control. On the other side of that statement there are many scientist and nutritionist who have done years of research and found that there is no other excuse for the toxins in our food, water, and air and still our government knowingly and sometimes secretly puts these toxins in the things we ingest. America is for what ever reason the most Legally drugged nation, the most obese nation, and the one of the unhealthiest nations on the planet.

All I can say is that knowing that elitists believe in population control and reduction and then combine that with what scientists, nutritionists, and even historians say. They are doing this intentionally. 

Warren Peace (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

I'm having a tough time understanding this degree of stupidity. Perhaps it's above my head, so one of you geniuses please explain it so my simple mind can understand.

Monsanto is evil. They are poisoning our food so they can kill us in their partnership with the government to become a monopoly....with far fewer customers because they have chosen to kill us.

So....how do they benefit again? Is Monsanto the only business that sees the genius of killing their customers, or are there other businesses that choose to profit in this manner? 

A Simple Equation --- 3 years ago -

So....how do they benefit again? Is Monsanto the only business that sees the genius of killing their customers, or are there other businesses that choose to profit in this manner?

Here's the disconnect that no one can understand. It's NOT about money. It's about control. If you watch the documentaries above, you'll get a better understanding.

Check this out from August 11th on the "Farm Wars" website dedicated to saving the family farm from extinction:

Dust Regulations, No Till, and Monsanto’s Food Monopoly

We're not screwing around, WP. You gotta look at the BIG PICTURE... You have to understand eugenics and the global depopulation agenda to get a grasp on this stuff. Check out the videos I posted over on this thread earlier today talking about Agenda 21. Time to do some homework and discover what's been going on right under your nose for the past 100 years...

This is no joke and it is not a drill. This is reality. 

Warren Peace (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

So a business is more concerned with control than profit? Why?

Is there a target amount of customers to kill where they'll be more concerned with having "the right amount" of people to control? 

Warren Peace (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

I reviewed your dust regulation link. Do you not possess a lick of critical thinking skills? There isn't a shred of evidence in that link that the EPA is targeting farmers over dust. Instead, it's a story about hysterical farmers fearing that the EPA is targeting them. Where's the bill? Where's the comment or "no comment" from the EPA?

I want your best video since you can't articulate such an argument on your own. I don't want to waste my time, so please spare me from having to endure additional stories on the idiot hysterics of farmers and give me the meat and potatoes.

I'm willing to be persuaded, but you've got to meet the burden of proof. I'll settle for something reasonable. 

A Simple Equation --- 3 years ago -

So a business is more concerned with control than profit? Why?

It all has to do with the mind of the "elite". They are monopoly men. It was John D. Rockefeller Sr. who once said, "Competition is a sin." They don't want us around. They hate us and call us useless feeders and breeders. They want a small population to serve them. They already have all the wealth in the world through fractional reserve banking and usury. You gotta look at the BIG PICTURE and get into the mind of these people. Study the Fabian Socialists and their goals for the future of humanity. I've done the research. I get it. Watch the videos I just recommended if you really want to understand. Google the Georgia Guidestones to find there 10 commandments of the new age. It's all out there. You just gotta find it and know what to look for.

You gotta break free of that paradigm of believing this is all about business and profit. It's not. It's solely about CONTROL and making us dependent on THEM for survival. It's a simple equation when you really break it down and read what they have all written about. It is happening right before our eyes... 

Nightstorm --- 3 years ago -

Monsanto is the devil in disguise as Jesus feeding the masses. 

Souperman --- 3 years ago -

So what happens after they've killed everyone off? 

Warren Peace (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

So what happens after they've killed everyone off? 

Well obviously their goal is to control as many dead people with their poison as possible tickets_pronto. You and I just can't see the BIG PICTURE nor understand the minds of the elite like A Simple Equation can.

They tell us it's all about profit, while telling us it's not at the same time. Then they tell us it's about them killing us with poison, while secretly wanting to control.

Apparently, this is a new tinfoil hat theory that businesses do seek profit up to a certain level of success by providing a product that the public wants at lower prices to the benefit of the poor all over the world.

But then at some point of success, their goals change. This is the point where the word "paradigm" becomes cool to use. They are no longer interested in profit, nor providing a product that is desired by the public. Instead, they want to kill people by providing poison. Because people want poison.

They don't really want it, but they think they do because they have been controlled by cameras from the Fabian Socialists. Don't you get it? If not, maybe you need to watch more internet videos that target people with psychological disorders that make them subject to irrationals fears.

Once you start watching these videos, you will apparently lose all critical thinking skills and will begin spouting off such nonsense on internet message boards wondering why no one else gets the BIG PICTURE. 

Warren Peace (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

Help me see the BIG PICTURE A Simple Equation. I just googled Georgia Guidestones and I'm thoroughly unimpressed. Give me some of your L. Ron Hubbard wisdom so I can understand the significance of some guy paying Elberton Granite Finishing Company to build this structure in 1979 and how it fits in with Monsanto Corporation. 

Warren Peace (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

bump for ASE 

A Simple Equation --- 3 years ago -

Have you ever actually studied the Fabian Society at all since you like to make such jest of it? This is the mindset of the "elite" who control the world. It was the inspiration for INGSOC (which is the nickname for English Socialism) in 1984 and the world they envisioned. Huxley's view of Brave New World was more of a drugged out control society instead of a Big Brother fear society.

Whatever their endgame, their dream is a combination of the two dystopian novels and Aldous Huxley even proclaimed so in his 1962 speech at Berkeley called "The Ultimate Revolution". In it, he stated the following:

"And it seems to me perfectly in the cards that there will be within the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda, brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods."

Sound a lot like today with so many people on Prozac and Xanax and the myriad of other psychotropic drugs? Does to me...

If you'd like, you can listen to it here. And here is the description of the speech:

"Aldous Huxley in a speech given to Berkley in which he admits that dystopic novels "Brave New World" and "1984" were not just fiction, but blueprints for two types of controlled and enslaved societies.

The prophetic Aldous Huxley, author of Brave New World, speaks to an audience at University of California, Berkeley, surrounding the use of terrorism and pharmaceuticals to create willing slaves out of the population."[/i]

But, WE'RE all just "crazy", right?

The Monsanto connection is one of controlling and having a complete monopoly of the food supply. By watching the videos I posted above a few days ago, you'll begin to understand the pieces of the puzzle. By patenting GMO foods, they can ultimately control all of the food in the world. Once they control the food production, they can control the population. They are working towards that. F. William Engdahl's book, "Seeds of Destruction: The Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation" gets into this topic much better than I can, however.

In the mean time, the GMO foods are causing diseases in millions of people around the world. They are also referred to soft kill weapons. It all fits in with the ideology of "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars." They (the "elite") own and control the medical/pharmaceutical industrial complex as well so they profit all along as they depopulate the earth. They love profiting off of the suffering of others.

This is a long running agenda. They ARE behind schedule, but the agenda is in motion, nontheless.

As far as scientology and L. Ron Hubbard, he was a complete crackpot as is his "religion". Please don't compare me to him. They ARE right about their views on pharmaceuticals, however.

The Guidestones represent the 10 commandments of the new age; the New World Order of a controlling one world government and one religion, pantheism, or worship of the earth, mother Gaia. It aims to keep the population of earth "in balance with nature" and should never be "overpopulated" by "allowing" only 500,000,000 people to live on the planet. Shades of Logan's Run here. That means over 6 BILLION people need to go. You wanna volunteer first since you were "thoroughly unimpressed"? This IS their religion and depopulation is their endgame.

Tie that in with eugenics, the vaccine agenda (which is actually HARMING our children, NOT protecting them), the generation of kids (and their parents) on psychotropic drugs who won't conform to the collective society, the genetically modified foods and fluoride in our water and you have a nice mix for silently killing off the population in their silent war on humanity without them even noticing. There are MANY more pieces of the puzzle, but that's where Monsanto fits in. It's all about the depopulation agenda and controlling the resources we need to survive.

It's NOT about the money. They already control the money and the economy and own most of the wealth on the planet. Now they want us gone.

If you're really curious and want further understanding, watch this:



Eugenics and the depopulation agenda are covered towards the last hour and 15 minutes of the documentary. Here is the bibliography for the movie with all the sources of information to verify all of the claims made:

What Is The ENDGAME?

As far as "irrational" fears, you don't think the "Global War On Terror" is preying on irrational fears as they make BILLIONS off the murder of innocent civilians in sovereign countries? Especially since al Qaeda was created by the CIA to begin with? Let's talk about government when you wanna bring up fostering irrational fears. They are the experts at that game and keeping us all in "line". Remember the WMD LIE?! And that is just the TIP of the iceberg of government deception and creating irrational fears. How about the "swine flu" pandemic of last year? Big Pharma made billions off of useless and unused shots for a media-hyped of scare. All to prey on our "irrational" fears. Starting to get the picture, Warren? Perhaps a little time spent educating yourself and a little less time trying to mock and make fun of those trying to expose you to the truth would help.

Make all the fun of me you wish. It only shows your true character. If you're serious about learning what I know and how I know it, I am more than willing to help.

Peace. =) 

A Simple Equation --- 3 years ago -

Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention the bogus and irrational GLOBAL WARMING fear mongering, too! That's a BIG one! Remember Al Gore and "An Inconvenient Truth"? Nope, they would NEVER use "irrational" fear mongering to control the masses and let us know they only have our "best interests" at heart... As long as we pay them dearly to do so! 

Souperman --- 3 years ago -

This silliness never gets old. 

Warren Peace (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

So people will love their servitude with the assistance of pills they take, right? Does that mean they'll stop demanding wages in return? Let me know when this massive outbreak of people wanting to work for free occurs, because you and me will certainly run for the hills. (well, after I exploit the hell out of this manna from heaven). Shoot, we can't get illegals to work for free, and can't even get many Americans to work at all. So this will be fantastic to business owners when people suddenly embrace working for the pure joy of servitude. What kind of statistics should we start to look for so we know when the tipping point is near?

You may not be crazy ASE, but damn you're gullible. You're actually citing the works of a fiction writer as proof? Did you happen to notice that you seemed to be persuaded merely by his claim that it was not just fiction (something more than fiction is still fiction)?

What also stands out about your response is the amount of effort you put into posting nothing of substance. In the private message you sent to me, you explained that you've spent over 7,000 hours over 3 years researching this (more than the typical full time job). Was this your job? If not, do you know what a symptom of mental illness looks like? You should, because you seem to have no idea that you wasted 7,000 hours of your life studying something that has left you without the ability to make a persuasive argument about this topic you're so passionate about. With that much time, you should be like Jesus Christ himself. You should at least be able to win an argument on an internet message board.

Then again, research shows that it actually takes 10,000 hours of devoted practice and repetition for folks that are mediocre in any field to become high performers. Maybe that next 3,000 hours will transform you, but damn you've a ways to go.

Regarding genetically modified foods, you are aware that it's simply a matter of using nature to refine nature, right? Doesn't sound so evil anymore, does it?

So they want to kill 6,000,000,000 people and leave only 500,000,000? Yeah, I'd say they were behind schedule. Help me find just one little taste of something that sounds plausible about that. World population has just about doubled since the Georgia Guidestones were created by that granite company. Since we both agree they are behind schedule (I can't think of a bigger understatement), can you at least point out their best years of mass killings? I'd love to see what you post as evidence, because surely you've wondered about that yourself, right? I mean, we know the Texans are behind schedule on winning the Super Bowl, but every one of us can point out their most successful years. If this evil Monsanto is as powerful as you claim and less concerned with profit, surely we'd start seeing death rates outpacing birth rates in countries heavily served by Monsanto, right?

I'll make a deal with you. I'll watch that 2 hour video IF you can promise me that I can get that 2 hours of my life back when it's over if Alex Jones can somehow for the first time in my life persuade me that he's something more than simply a highly vocal conspiracy theorist.

I tried making money by buying company stock of those that made the swine flu vaccines back when the politicians started to gin up fear. But damn if I didn't miss better buying opportunities from Apple, Google, and hundreds of other stocks that proved to be far more profitable that than little uptick pharmaceutical companies experienced.

But wait a minute....you said Big Pharma made billions? Why? Should they have aimed for control instead? Or are they not as far along as Monsanto is? I guess they are still at the stage where they are more concerned with profit, huh? When do you expect they'll join Monsanto and be less concerned with profit? Me and thousands of investors will be looking for that moment so we can sell our stock BEFORE it happens.

How does the predictable outcome of Monsanto losing massive shareholders and plummeting stock prices when they start to focus on control moreso than profit fit into your theory?

I shouldn't be such a smartass because maybe I'm starting to get this... Big Pharma was able to profit AND control at the same time. We think vaccines were distributed, but let me guess....it was actually death juice, or some kind of control juice with some sort of time delayed ingredient that will start killing (i mean controlling) people in....well, however long we can wait till some tragedy occurs that will allow us to pinpoint that as the predictable consequence of the fraudulent swine flu control vaccine.

You're welcome to fill in the blanks. I'm a mere novice at this. 

A Simple Equation --- 3 years ago -

You're welcome to fill in the blanks. I'm a mere novice at this.

Clearly you ARE a novice and not a very bright one at that. What part of "Aldous Huxley in a speech given to Berkley in which he admits that dystopic novels "Brave New World" and "1984" were not just fiction, but blueprints for two types of controlled and enslaved societies" can't you quite COMPREHEND?! NOT just FICTION, but BLUEPRINTS, as in MODEL, for a society which THEY will control through brainwashing, propaganda and drugging!! I've given you everything you need to "fill in the blanks." Do it yourself. While you're at it, why not come back when you have a better grasp of the English language and grammar, too. You go figure out how many mistakes there were in your last post.

And if you REALLY don't think you're not living in servitude when more than half of your income goes to a criminal government in the form of one tax or another, then clearly they have already won. Do you really like working for NOTHING half of the year? I know, you'll say, "but we HAVE to pay for the government to protect and take care of us!" Like I said, servitude... You're already too dumbed down to even realize how enslaved you truly are.

For the record, I obliterated you in this argument. I connected all the dots that need connecting in my previous posts but I can't nor will I take the time to spell out over 12 hours of documentaries and a handful of books in a little message board comment section FOR you. However, if you're too intellectually lazy to watch them and/or read them for yourself, just keep on eating the poison and "investing" your money in the sin companies. And since you're so brilliant with the "investments" how is your portfolio doing? The DOW was right about at the exact SAME place 10 years ago!! You've actually LOST money being in the market, but you suckers keep on pumping more and more into it. You can't even grasp that Wall Street is a rigged game, either! Gold, on the other hand has quadrupled in price, but all of these "conspiracy theorists" are just "crazy" for recommending that, too, right!!!

GMO foods just "using nature to refine nature"?!?! Wow. You really DON'T have a grasp on what it is all about. It is the altering of DNA to a form UNRECOGNIZABLE by our OWN DNA. This is what causes the DISEASE. But don't bother to educate yourself on THIS either. You clearly have it ALL figured out. Just keep on beLIEving the propaganda put out by the monopoly agribusinesses and your wonderful government! After all, they care SO MUCH about you and your well being! I could care less about your health or the painful death you will probably die by ignoring the warnings given in the documentaries above about the dangers of GMO food. You're hopeless. And you've clearly already sold your soul. Money and entertainment, it seems, is more important to you than knowledge and wisdom. Just like the rest of the deniers...

Next? 

rEVOLution --- 3 years ago -

Just like our health care system these guys are reactive, not proactive...

ATLANTA (AP) - Hundreds of people have been sickened in a salmonella outbreak linked to eggs in four states and possibly more, health officials said Wednesday as a company dramatically expanded a recall to 380 million eggs.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is working with state health departments to investigate the illnesses. No deaths have been reported, said Dr. Christopher Braden, a CDC epidemiologist involved in the investigation.

Initially, 228 million eggs, or the equivalent of 19 million dozen-egg cartons, were recalled by the company Wright County Egg of Galt, Iowa. But that number was increased to nearly 32 million dozen-egg cartons.

Minnesota, a state with some of the best food-borne illness investigators in the country, has tied at least seven salmonella illnesses to the eggs. 

Warren Peace (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

What part of "Aldous Huxley in a speech given to Berkley in which he admits that dystopic novels "Brave New World" and "1984" were not just fiction, but blueprints for two types of controlled and enslaved societies" can't you quite COMPREHEND?! NOT just FICTION, but BLUEPRINTS, as in MODEL, for a society which THEY will control through brainwashing, propaganda and drugging!!

The part I can't comprehend is why you can't understand that he's saying it's still fiction. I'll take it slower for you. It's just like some people have a home that's not JUST a home - it's also an office. So his work is not just a work a fiction (but it's still a work of fiction). Got it yet?

I've taken it easy on you about the Aldous Huxley "weight" of your notions, but surely you knew he was into mysticism, parapsychology, and was a frequent user of psychedelic drugs - even on his deathbed, right? Your wingnut messiah figure had a highly drug induced imagination. Yet to you, he is a visionary that had advance knowledge of your present day conspiracy theories. Feel free to re-write that according to your own words if I've shaken the tinfoil from your head, but every bit of it is accurate.

The other part that makes me laugh is how you insist a work of fiction is a blueprint for modern occurrences as well as things that have not occurred. Yet, it seems to have gone WAAAYYYY over your head that such a claim is almost exactly what L. Ron Hubbard did with his Dianetics book. And you were insulted by my earlier reference.

Both were written as works of fiction by dreamers who got into science fiction and ultimately sought to create religions. Hubbard just happened to be more successful in persuading people than your drug induced messiah.

The theories you've bought into have a basis in fact that is no different than anything L. Ron Hubbard has written. Can you name one credible source? You can't can you? They are all discredited conspiracy theorists. How can you let yourself get sucked into that. You've admitted to how heavily invested in it you are. Heck it almost seems as if you lost your job in Chicago over it.


And if you REALLY don't think you're not living in servitude when more than half of your income goes to a criminal government in the form of one tax or another, then clearly they have already won. Do you really like working for NOTHING half of the year?

And there it is. Your claim of servitude is merely a platitude about hating taxes. Well damn, name one person not living in the jungle who does not qualify as a servant. Even our Presidents are servants. Heck, our founding fathers were servants by that definition. Do you not see the gyrations in logic you have to result to in order to believe that idiot premise of yours? If we REALLY enjoyed this servitude, we would want to pay even MORE taxes, right? Who other than politicians want that?


For the record, I obliterated you in this argument.
As a rule of thumb, that usually seems more convincing if it's not a self-proclamation. But if you had a need to make such a statement, you're probably grasping at straws. Everyone else is laughing at you. You seriously believe that you're right. What you believe is linked to conspiracy theorists and mental illness. That's not something I'm making up, that's fact.


And since you're so brilliant with the "investments" how is your portfolio doing? The DOW was right about at the exact SAME place 10 years ago!! You've actually LOST money being in the market, but you suckers keep on pumping more and more into it.
I don't mean to brag, but I'm doing quite well. I didn't lose any of my retirement money during the crash of 2007 and 2008 because there were symptoms of pending disaster. I moved every cent of my retirement to a Treasury fund before the first bank collapsed. It wasn't because I knew what was going to happen, I did it because it was getting risky and I did NOT know what was going to happen. I don't know if that answers your question, nor do I understand the relevance.


GMO foods just "using nature to refine nature"?!?! Wow. You really DON'T have a grasp on what it is all about. It is the altering of DNA to a form UNRECOGNIZABLE by our OWN DNA.

Oh jeez, you're apparently one of these guys who believes chemicals are unnatural too. There is nothing we can do with DNA or with any earthen substances that is not natural.


I've tried answering some of your questions now you answer some of mine. If their plan is to eradicate 6 billion lives, what kind of statistics should we be looking for to indicate that this master plan is moving along? We should start to see the gap between birth rates and death rates start to narrow, right? If they are going to reduce our population through food, it should be from food borne illnesses, too, don't you think. Surely some of your 7,000 hours were spent gathering such figures to support this claim, so why not share research other than Youtube videos, the works of science fiction writers, and conspiracy theorists?

Since you prefer not answering my questions, I'll keep this request to only one more - a question you've already ignored once. How does the predictable outcome of Monsanto losing massive shareholders and plummeting stock prices when they start to focus on control moreso than profit fit into your theory?  

Warren Peace (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

ATLANTA (AP) - Hundreds of people have been sickened in a salmonella outbreak linked to eggs in four states and possibly more, health officials said Wednesday as a company dramatically expanded a recall to 380 million eggs

Damn! The government controlled plan for a New World Order was just interfered with.... by a government control agency? Weird, huh? Explain away ASE. Is this part of L. Ron Hubbard's blueprint too? 

funguy74 --- 3 years ago -

Hey Warren, you're missing quite a few zeros in referencing ASE's 7,000 hours of "research." LOL 

A Simple Equation --- 3 years ago -

Warren Peace --- 2 hours ago

LMFAO! They've already won as far as you're concerned. You're exactly the kind of propagandized, mindless, non-rational thinking automaton stuck in a fantasy world of their creation they had hoped to create! You have no idea where I'm coming from and you never will because you won't bother to take the time to look at the evidence contrary to your manufactured "beLIEf" systems.

Perception isn't reality. REALITY is reality. You can't tell the difference between the two and I highly doubt you ever will. I know, because I used to BE in the same place you are. You're living in a false reality created with lies and deception like the majority of the world. Until you realize that, the point is moot. Did you even bother to watch even ONE of those documentaries exposing the crimes of Monsanto? Probably not. Until you've done some actual research, I'm finished with you because you're completely clueless as to how the world really works. All of your questions will be answered in time, but it will be far too late for you to do anything about it by then... 

Warren Peace (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

Wow, so you're like Keanu Reeves in The Matrix? You're plugged in now, right?


Here's another taste of your reasoning used for the Huxley/Hubbard blueprint thing:

In 1993, the movie Demolition Man had Sylvester Stallone travel into the future where he learned that Arnold Schwarzenegger had become President even though he was foreign born. Now fast forward to the Present day when we actually have a foreign born President. Weird, huh?

But that's wacko evidence. Nobody in their right mind would say I just provided evidence of a master plan. Hopefully, not even you.

But do you think that example was mocking your beliefs? I'm actually citing something mentioned on the website of one of the sources of your evidence - Alex Jones' Prisonplanet.com. He's the same wingnut who produced that 2 hr documentary you posted above which you're also trying to use as evidence.

Watching such crap is not research ASE. It's just not. 

A Simple Equation --- 3 years ago -

Watching such crap is not research ASE. It's just not.

I also gave you the link to the online bibliography which sources all of the claims made in the film. You're just too intellectually lazy to check it out for yourself. And what about the NINE videos I posted about Monsanto!?!?! All just crazy "conspiracy theories", right?!? Give me a break, man...

You asked me what the endgame is and that is the best documentary out there describing it. Why not try to refute that instead?

The hundreds of documentaries I have watched only led me to REAL HISTORY BOOKS!! Wow! You mean there is TRUTH in actual BOOKS which we were never taught in "schools", too! Amazing! We learn something EVERY day! You're STILL clueless, Warren. You always will be. Now just go and watch your football or whatever it is you do in your little fantasy world while the world collapses around you.

Good luck with your "coincidence theory" of history. Because everything happens by accident and everyone in power cares about you SOOOO much... LMFAO!!!! 

Warren Peace (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

Confession time:

I just watched the first 30 minutes of The World According to Monsanto. I noticed it comes from wideeyecinema.com - a bat$hit crazy conspiracy website with sections devoted to "false flag operations", secret societies, and mind control. Nice source ASE [rolling eyes].

But I watched undeterred. I'm not seeing controlling behavior by Monsanto ASE. They produced a wonderful weedkiller resistant seed that vastly increased crop yields - allowing farmers to grow more per acre (and PROFIT from it [GASP!]). The segment on how Monsanto created such a seed demonstrated EXACTLY what I just described - using bacteria (a natural occurrence) to do what it does to soybean seeds.

The whole segment on whether or not the term "biodegradable" was properly used was particularly funny. Was I really supposed to be influenced upon hearing that Monsanto's research that roundup degraded at a rate of 2% after 20+ days was enough to disqualify their claim? I noticed the narrator didn't bother to say what the correct rate is, did you? Wouldn't that have been persuasive? Actually, if they did, it would at best trigger a yawn from me.

Monsanto poisoned that town in Alabama? There was pollution and they settled. Is that what this evil corporation's idea of control is? If so, they're losing aren't they? I thought they were supposed to be evil geniuses that I should fear.

I'm actually less afraid. I'm also putting Tofu on my grocery list. I need to show my appreciation for the benefits this corporation has provided to the world food sources. 

A Simple Equation --- 3 years ago -

I'm also putting Tofu on my grocery list.

LMFAO!!! While your at it, enjoy the nice side effects that the estrogen mimicking hormones of soy will do for you as well!! Mmmmmm.... Why do you think all those tree huggers are so d@mn effeminate, anyway?!? Their hippie mothers have been giving it to them from birth!! Stock up on the MSG, aspartame and HFCS infused products, too!! Yummy!

Enjoy your slavery, Warren, with the rest of the idiots. But, hey, at least Huxley was right. You actually DO enjoy it and you don't even know why!! How prophetic he was after all!!

I gotta say one thing, though. You sure are giving me a good laugh tonight!!! Thanks for that! =) 

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